tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6283845125208268798.post2968662639337180760..comments2024-03-27T11:21:40.742+04:00Comments on Muscat Confidential: Muscat Municipality introduces blanket bans on dogs, other animals in public areasUndercover Dragonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10577931944980469254noreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6283845125208268798.post-3887525533894485152013-08-01T23:55:16.141+04:002013-08-01T23:55:16.141+04:00When an Arab goes to live in Europe knows that Mos...When an Arab goes to live in Europe knows that Mosques are not around every corner, like in GCC.<br />When an European goes to live in GCC should know that rules about dogs and alcohol are not the same as in Europe.<br /><br />I personally don't like dogs, and the fact that designated time is allocated is a big plus to live in Oman and sign of cleanliness.<br />I find Omani very friendly. Those who think is just a facade are usually people that even if they have lived here for 10 years, they have not made the effort to learn not even a sentence in Arabic. <br /><br />Everyone is welcome in Oman, as long as they don't mess up with local culture. Quit drinking, learn Arabic, go to pray 5 times a day in the Mosque, and you will get the real Oman. Those Omani that you meet while drinking alcohol in the hotels, are tiny minority of the population. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6283845125208268798.post-82419851374354474982010-05-11T23:35:31.851+04:002010-05-11T23:35:31.851+04:00Not quite re. dogs but. . .
I have to say my exper...Not quite re. dogs but. . .<br />I have to say my experience over my 9 months here in Muscat has not been great. The Omanis initially come across as very friendly and supportive of us expats, however I have picked up a dangerous undertone particularly in the young men. I have had three occasions where a young man has tried to goad me in to a fight (all three ties in a Muscat hotel) - I am not the violent kind (always been a coward and run a mile at the first sign of trouble), but if I had responded as they would have liked then no doubt I would have been immediately locked up and deported the next day - and I believe this is where the problem lies.<br />Overall I would say that beyond the initial friendly facade, the Omanis hate expats and want us out.<br />A second thing I must mention is the standard of driving - the local and Indian drivers here are very poor and do unpredictable things - the culture here seems to go against people applying a 'better safe than sorry' approach.<br />And it is not particularly family friendly.<br />Plus the lowish pay compared with the hassles means is was not worth shipping the family out here.<br />My view, then, is that it is a nice place for a couple of weeks in the sun but not as a long term expat posting assignment.<br />Sorry!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6283845125208268798.post-28631844093511151112009-03-16T16:57:00.000+04:002009-03-16T16:57:00.000+04:00Dirty Doggy says in response to "I will never unde...Dirty Doggy says in response to <BR/>"I will never understand why expats feel it necessary to have dogs in Oman. Are they for protection? Here in one of the safest places on earth? I could understand the reason why, if say they lived in Johnnesburg."<BR/><BR/>Absence of mention in the Times of Oman does not mean no crime. Where does all this local delusion about safety come from? For political, administrative, resource and cultural reasons - crimes against the person are likely to be seriously under-reported here but even the official figures show high per capia rates:<BR/>http://www.moneoman.gov.om/book/syb_2008/fscommand/tables/Social_Services/15-20.pdfAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6283845125208268798.post-40110907542712079082009-03-11T18:12:00.000+04:002009-03-11T18:12:00.000+04:0020/20 says: Interesting to see the little grievanc...20/20 says: <BR/>Interesting to see the little grievances like tics on a dog. This subject has nearly finished its walkies with lots of running around in circles. It would take too long to all deconstruct the poorly reasoned anti-animal and anti-expat snippets but let us begin with the first comment. <BR/>Dear MET was quick off the leash but makes no response to the fact that spats about dogs “near the beach” were unwarranted intrusions into the privacy of dog walkers. The signs are almost obscured but they have always cautioned against dogs (and football, barbecues etc), “on the beach” not, “near the beach” or “near the Intercon”. If you are prissy be precise. No wonder that the ill informed got ‘blown off’ when they took it upon themselves to insist on the observance of a non-existent rule – if they could be heard over the shouts of “goal!”, sizzle of barbecues, roar of quad bikes on the beach etc. Probably too scared to confront the Omanis, but a lone dog walker… great opportunity. Also too scared to call the police because although laws prohibit nuisance the only 'offence' was against ignorant fear and a cruel prejudice against animals. Of course if you have inhabited a context in which animals are abused you will expect animals to be dangerous. I notice that the busy bodies are always keen to pick on someone who can’t answer back for fear of being branded disrespectful of the local culture.<BR/>MET introduces a novel concept;<BR/>“Too bad now for all dog owners, but they should have taken it upon themselves to police themselves.” So if you are a careful driver you have to be a traffic cop or your licence will be confiscated? If you are between 15 and 25 and like to go out in the evening you become responsible for any offences committed by others in this age category and should be subject to a curfew? “Someone spilt coffee on the photocopier you will all have deductions of pay and work overtime until the culprit owns up” What rubbish. Anybody who writes a blog or comments has to carry the burden of all others! MET, too bad you should have controlled that 20/20 even if you have never met and don’t know their identity.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6283845125208268798.post-15024277787738099142009-03-11T09:25:00.000+04:002009-03-11T09:25:00.000+04:00Good to see all the Omani expat-bashers are busily...Good to see all the Omani expat-bashers are busily working away on their "famous Omani hospitality" :) I don't always like it, but as always, and as others have said here, its people, not entire groups of people. Some Omani's are assholes, a lot aren't. Some Brit's are assholes, a lot aren't. The only nationality I feel that the majority are actually assholes, are the French, but I only say it cos it's funny, not cos it's necessarily true :) <BR/><BR/>Its a stupid rule which isn't going to last. If you are a dog walker stay away from the Intercom and Shatti beach and I'm sure you will be fine. It seems no one in MQ has been paying attention to this ruling anyway.<BR/><BR/>As for Expat Wife - my hat comes off to you for actually adopting a dog and preparing to take it back with you. I hate going to UnFair in MQ because my wife always go's and looks on the board at all the dogs on offer from people leaving the country and not taking their pets with them. I want a dog, but my landlord has a ban on pets, and gave us special permission to keep our cat, who we brought from abroad. And the reason the landlord has the ban is because other tenants previously had a huge dog that liked to bark - and it was the noise that was the issue - the land lord himself has 3 dogs and is a kind man, but had to set the rules to appease the other tenants.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6283845125208268798.post-24714459655518672492009-03-10T17:39:00.000+04:002009-03-10T17:39:00.000+04:00WHYNOTMuscat Municipal Decision No.2/2008, publish...WHYNOT<BR/>Muscat Municipal Decision No.2/2008, published in the Official Gazette on 17/01/2009 creates:<BR/>• A requirement for accompanied animals to be subject to a curfew outside the hours of 10 a.m. to 3 p.m.<BR/>• A requirement for licensing of such animals by the vetinary authorities.<BR/><BR/>This Proclamation appears to possess the following characteristics:<BR/>• It ignores pre existing Laws and Proclamations which already give sufficient powers for addressing problems created by accompanied animals in public places and for ensuring licensing of animals.<BR/>• A new offence is created, - accompanying an animal during the curfew. Behaviour that would otherwise be acceptable is made illegal.<BR/>• The need for such a regulation on the grounds of preserving public health or restriction of public nuisance is not demonstrated it is merely asserted.<BR/>• The Regulation will be difficult to enforce and when it is enforced it is likely to cause disproportionate distress. Many residents and new arrivals will be unaware of the Curfew as it is an unexpected and unusual regulation. However ignorance will not be a defence.<BR/>• The regulation will be difficult to enforce without discriminatory practice. Those most easily targeted for police action will be the families of expatriate workers living in affluent areas with pets in public places but under control although in the curfew period. This section of the community usually have a cultural and personal concern for the health of their animals that cannot be met at any time by exercise in private homes or in public places during the hours allowed. These hours are the hottest and least suitable for healthy exercise for animals and people who could be harmed by the high temperatures that prevail for most of the year. <BR/>• Public agitation will be increased by a Regulation which does not make clear the distinction between religious obligation and minority preference as grounds for observation. Some might conclude that intolerance by a few is being used as an excuse to restrict lifestyles of some visitors – even if these lifestyles are a private matter and no threat to public health, safety or decency.<BR/>• The deserved image of Oman as an hospitable tourist destination and place for non nationals to purchase property may be damaged in those origin countries that place cultural value on keeping animals as pets. It is possible for a minor issue to symbolize wider cultural and legal difficulties relating to assimilation in a different country where change in legal obligations is unpredictable.<BR/>All sensible people respect the religion and cultural heritage of a host country. Most long and short-term visitors to Oman admire the history and modern achievements of the Nation and experience a real affection for the friendship and pride of the Oman People. A Regulation that is excluding should be subject to wider consultation and be reviewed.<BR/><BR/>A compromise has been proposed that avoids creating a new ‘crime’ and addresses concerns about public safety and health. <BR/>“Consider withdrawing the Curfew. This would not mean loss of face but show a willingness to respond to ALL the community. <BR/>Give notice that sensible rules requiring owners to control their animals will be vigorously enforced - then actually carry out the threat against the inconsiderate minority.”Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6283845125208268798.post-47206761343259621712009-03-10T11:21:00.000+04:002009-03-10T11:21:00.000+04:0020/20 says:Just noticed this blog and lead-in comm...20/20 says:<BR/>Just noticed this blog and lead-in comment by MET. The signs are almost obscured but they have always cautioned against dogs (and football, barbecues etc), “on the beach” not, “near the beach” or “near the Intercon”.If you are prissy be precise.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6283845125208268798.post-17458145667105934072009-03-10T08:05:00.000+04:002009-03-10T08:05:00.000+04:00I think I've stumbled upon the real reason for thi...I think I've stumbled upon the real reason for this...last week reported in the papers that begging was becoming an epidemic. Maybe by getting rid of the dogs the beggers won't have such skilled rivals!.....;-)<BR/><BR/>Ano makes the valued comment.."there are more important issues that go on without action...ROAD SAFETY"!!!!Devils Advocathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05785703803791621820noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6283845125208268798.post-79614777060529099432009-03-10T07:10:00.000+04:002009-03-10T07:10:00.000+04:00Wow.. there are so much bigger problems this Sulta...Wow.. there are so much bigger problems this Sultanate has..<BR/><BR/>then they think of this.. pets.. wtf..<BR/><BR/>any laws on curving roadkills and putting pedestrian overpass that are not 100 kilometres from each other..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6283845125208268798.post-39016285937354898012009-03-10T00:10:00.000+04:002009-03-10T00:10:00.000+04:00Fatima suggests:Previous rules allow prosecution o...Fatima suggests:<BR/>Previous rules allow prosecution of those who do not keep their animals under control in terms of noise nuisance and threats/damage to others. A period enforcing these rules would do more good than 'curfews' which cause unnecessary conflict. No sensible person wants the law to look like an ass/dog/horse or headless chicken. <BR/>Withdraw the Curfew. This would not mean loss of face but show a willingness to respond to ALL the community. <BR/>Give notice that sensible rules requiring owners to control their animals will be vigorously enforced - then actually carry out the threat against the inconsiderate minority. <BR/>Job done.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6283845125208268798.post-56515697445272042382009-03-09T23:02:00.000+04:002009-03-09T23:02:00.000+04:00Hey, we are all living here together. let's try an...Hey, we are all living here together. let's try and understand one another and respect each others customs. I have no problem respecting the views of others however this ruling will cause friction between the dog lovers and dog haters here in Muscat. Let's us all come to a comprimise. We can work together.<BR/><BR/>Make the Call.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6283845125208268798.post-40673307760929402672009-03-09T21:43:00.000+04:002009-03-09T21:43:00.000+04:00Anony-Mouse is just one of these (luckily not too ...Anony-Mouse is just one of these (luckily not too many) very jealous, sad people who sees an expat with a good job, a good salary and all the nice things that come with it, doesn't want to admit that he himself is not sufficiently educated/trained/motivated to get such a job, and in stead of using his time and energy to improve his own situation and capabilities simply decides to take the easy route and have a go at others. Dumbass indeed. Maybe he can walk the expat wife's dog around noon and make himself usefull?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6283845125208268798.post-87600057298166903572009-03-09T20:49:00.000+04:002009-03-09T20:49:00.000+04:00Anony-Mouse: yours is one of the most Dumbass 'com...Anony-Mouse: yours is one of the most Dumbass 'comments' I have read on this Forum. No wonder you did not sign your name. AbdAbdullahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17596118994410731450noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6283845125208268798.post-72844086119958652622009-03-09T18:36:00.000+04:002009-03-09T18:36:00.000+04:00WTFExpat Wife. Wise up. Your husband has got a job...WTF<BR/>Expat Wife. Wise up. Your husband has got a job that an Omani shoild have. You dont want to follow our rule. If you want to go home the airport is at Seeb.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6283845125208268798.post-6903357956455794032009-03-09T18:28:00.000+04:002009-03-09T18:28:00.000+04:00Expat WifeWe have a dog because I am here with my ...Expat Wife<BR/>We have a dog because I am here with my husband who is sometimes away for days on visits to other ME countries and the desert. My family is grown up and in my home country we always had a house full of family and friends and pets. For our sons, the responsibility of looking after pets was one of the ways in which we ensured healthy exercise and a respect for all creatures. I love Oman but sometimes it is nice to have the companionship of our dog to help me to feel safe if alone in the villa. Obviously I have blind spots, but I do know that the low crime rate has an element of manipulated official PR.<BR/><BR/>Now I feel that walking the dog, once taken for granted as one of the most innocent of pleasures, has been criminalized. I now know that we maybe the focus of hostility and disgust from Omanis that I see on my regular walk. Many Omani children, with smiling parents, used to come to the dog because it is a non-threatening, big, friendly looking, slightly stupid and obedient pet. Little did I know what a fool I have been! I am not trying to be over pathetic but it sure is a new experience to sense that there must be an undercurrent of opinion that sees me as arrogant, dirty and unwelcome.<BR/><BR/>We found our dog through the excellent animal rescue kennels in Muscat and he is undergoing all the necessary vaccinations so that he can accompany us when we leave Oman in a few years. For the first time that day can’t come soon enough. I feel so uneasy that I am posting this under Anonymous – never saw the necessity before.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6283845125208268798.post-18298935534990655212009-03-09T17:16:00.000+04:002009-03-09T17:16:00.000+04:00Fatima- Yours is one of the most intelligent 'comm...Fatima- Yours is one of the most intelligent 'comments' I have read in this Forum. Hope to hear more from you. AbdAbdullahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17596118994410731450noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6283845125208268798.post-27248279021531502992009-03-09T16:40:00.000+04:002009-03-09T16:40:00.000+04:00Fatima commentsDear Anonymous,You are genuine in y...Fatima comments<BR/>Dear Anonymous,<BR/>You are genuine in your attempt to get to grips with this issue. Unfortunately it is like a grain of sand – so small it is difficult to pick up. Comments here show that perhaps the sizeable pebbles in the shoe are:<BR/>How are these decisions made? What values and procedures underpin the decision making process? Are there principles on display that are cause for more significant concern?<BR/>I do not want to seem rude, but here is a mirror for you to glance in:<BR/> “It’s a well known fact that some Christians look upon the wearing of the full hijab by Arab women as socially disconcerting – so why then do you see some women wearing their hijab in London and Huston? They are guests there. WE SHOULD MAKE AN EFFORT TO PLEASE - NOT ANNOY OUR HOSTS.”<BR/>Answer: As hosts we should allow people to do those things that are part of their home culture (as long as they do no harm), even if we do not have sufficient understanding of their reasons and traditions. It is a matter of mutual respect. This is a proud Nation, not a Magalis where ignorance and irrational fear are acceptable reasons for inhospitality. On balance, your final paragraph would seem to support the view that pet animals are a cultural issue, not a genuine religious issue. Some devout Omanis have dogs. This issue is a poor alibi to justify unacceptable expat bashing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6283845125208268798.post-9994492059020194172009-03-09T16:38:00.000+04:002009-03-09T16:38:00.000+04:00I agree with Anon. I'm a dog and indeed animal lov...I agree with Anon. I'm a dog and indeed animal lover but I wouldn't consider having one here as I couldn't commit the dedication and time required. Also the heat is a big factor.<BR/><BR/>I look in windows of Al Fair and regular ads are requesting a home for dogs and puppies (why let them breed?).<BR/><BR/>It's obvious we can't take them with us so why have them?Devils Advocathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05785703803791621820noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6283845125208268798.post-30971544625838446732009-03-09T15:17:00.000+04:002009-03-09T15:17:00.000+04:00I will never understand why expats feel it necessa...I will never understand why expats feel it necessary to have dogs in Oman. Are they for protection? Here in one of the safest places on earth? I could understand the reason why, if say they lived in Johnnesburg. But safety reasons aside, it is a well known fact that some Muslims look upon dogs as unclean - so why then do expats deliberatly keep dogs? They are guests here. WE SHOULD MAKE AN EFFORT TO PLEASE - NOT ANNOY OUR HOSTS1 Another point I would like to make is that a good deal of expats, unable to find a home for their pets when it comes to leaving the country, resort to letting them roam free not being able to afford the quarantine costs at the other end. <BR/><BR/>I would strongly rcommend that you look up on the net `Muslims (or Islam) and dogs. `There is a strong argument that dogs and indeed all creatures on earth should be treated kindly and that they too deserve a place in heaven.It seems that some Muslims wrongly assume that dogs are unclean. But see for youself, An interesting discussion.Is not the Saluki an Arabian dog?<BR/>AnonymousAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6283845125208268798.post-24504004804340961922009-03-09T11:44:00.000+04:002009-03-09T11:44:00.000+04:00WalkiesNation States and Municipalities can pass/p...Walkies<BR/>Nation States and Municipalities can pass/proclaim whatever Laws they choose. You can’t please everyone but the curfew on pets outside a 10 – 3 window is just plan …silly. It will be seen as such by many, even if they are not pet aficionados. This is such a neat exemplar of how crazy petty issues can get. It must be an easily communicated gossip of how you can never be quite sure of the parameters of living here. Thought you were going to buy a villa and relax in the sun, take that pet for a beach stroll in the cool of the morning or evening? Think again. The Oman Brand image?<BR/>By now millions of expat prospective holiday makers and villa buyers will know of this spiteful little by-law which lends credibility to other snippets about shrinking Villa plots (off plan as opposed to reality at the Wave), driving standards….blah, blah. Another personnel mine laid by the xenophobes?<BR/>How much less is that beautiful seaside villa in Spain, Bermuda, Thailand?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6283845125208268798.post-88002127667007250902009-03-09T08:07:00.000+04:002009-03-09T08:07:00.000+04:00I am not an animal lover (No! not in that sense ei...I am not an animal lover (No! not in that sense either), but I would never harm one unless it attacked me. So have nothing to say on the animal side of this issue. However, I would like to comment on is the 'idiotic' regulation promulgated by the MM. What are these guys smoking? Always before, they sat in there top floor offices well insulated from the real world. Hey Guys, its time to wake up! They best way to bring them into reality is by shining the spotlight on them. That's why these blogs are important and that's why the petition is important. Lets show these guys they are responsible for more than drinking coffee and issuing silly regulations. Sign the petition. AbdAbdullahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17596118994410731450noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6283845125208268798.post-91443680811572127602009-03-08T19:26:00.000+04:002009-03-08T19:26:00.000+04:00Just a Jealous Guy.Anyone got any more suggestions...Just a Jealous Guy.<BR/><BR/>Anyone got any more suggestions for how we can harass those overpaid people who live in Shatti? A Regulation banning any lifestyle that is different or better than mine? <BR/><BR/>Well-off Omanis and Expats seem to have better lives than me, with foreign holidays, nice new cars, more freedom and even pets that they can afford to look after. It’s not fair. They may have wasta so I’m too scared to shout at them directly, “Why can’t I live in a smart area?!”Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6283845125208268798.post-17359870407976849242009-03-08T18:51:00.000+04:002009-03-08T18:51:00.000+04:00And don't forget the turtles. It's turtles all the...And don't forget the turtles. It's turtles all the way down...<BR/><BR/>BobindubaiAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6283845125208268798.post-57657122579950787832009-03-08T17:40:00.000+04:002009-03-08T17:40:00.000+04:00Since this ban apparently applies to ALL animals, ...Since this ban apparently applies to ALL animals, local flocks of goats, sheep and camels will now have to be let out for grazing only during the hottest time of the day. Omani farmers and herders must be quite rightly incensed at this absurdity.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6283845125208268798.post-67511396670361531742009-03-08T15:31:00.000+04:002009-03-08T15:31:00.000+04:00MeeeowI would advise the Women's Guild that it is ...Meeeow<BR/>I would advise the Women's Guild that it is best to keep quiet as this rule will just fade away like all the other rules here... unless they are confrontational. The standard reaction will be, "Go back to your own country if you imagine that you can tell us what to do". This is an Islamic, increasingly multicultural but demographically small country where sometimes a few cronies get together to make a rule (often to show that they are following the Saudi line on religious observance) with narrow consultation on implications or depth of support. No Green or White Papers, Senate Committees, lobbying Institutions etc. <BR/><BR/>Really this is just a one horse town where a few 'deputies' occasionally make themselves look silly, and risk losing face, by listening to their pals' self important boasting and promising to sort out the miscreants pronto. It is easy to ignore practical good sense and seek favour by pandering to a small faction that has a 'holier than thou' agenda. Even if a rule is ineffective, contradictory, a sledge hammer to crack a nut - most people can't be bothered to do much more than say "so what?". Obviously some kids will snikker a spiteful "serves you right", but that is just because they enjoy the discomfort of others (they probably set light to cats' tails and wonder why they get scratched). After a decent interval the 'powers' come to share the indifference of most and the rule fades away. Typical storm in a teacup. <BR/><BR/>Many Laws are of this half-baked, difficult to enforce, knee jerk kind in any country. Usually these Laws come under test in the Courts even if they slip through the multilayered legislative process. Oman has better things to do with its judicial and policing energies. Anyway there are already suitable laws in place about public noise and nuisance - no need for blanket ban, just deal with those owners that allow their animals to be a real nuisance.<BR/><BR/>Personally I have never seen any incidents where animals have attacked or intruded upon people. The number of pet dogs and horses in public places is small. Many of these animals are Omani owned, appear to give pleasure to their owner families and are under effective control. <BR/><BR/>I have seen someone screaming at a dog on a lead, but the dog and owner ignored the hysterics. Probably a case of a childhood phobia manifesting itself. There are cases where mistreated dogs and horses have bitten innocent bystanders and people have memories of this. Fortunately, more recently, animals have been given the respect and training that they deserve and their role as faithful companions, pets, beautiful examples of creation or whatever… has been accepted in society, as it was in our historical past. Irrational fears are disappearing and most people understand that, if they choose, they have no need to interact with a well managed dog or horse if it is under proper control in an open-air public space. If a pet or dog is in a home or stable or an open-air public place, I respect the right of the owner to keep and exercise these animals just as they respect my right to be unmolested. No problem.<BR/><BR/>If a dog bites or a horse kicks me without provocation I will involve the police, but it will make no difference if this occurs in the heat of the day or the cool of the evening.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com